tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8890421681310175900.post4192284664858645535..comments2023-10-09T08:49:33.187-05:00Comments on Faithful Service: Lutherans in Search of a ChurchUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8890421681310175900.post-36734268537920481572010-05-28T21:52:21.919-05:002010-05-28T21:52:21.919-05:00Bruce: "Shopworn". Pejorative comments t...Bruce: "Shopworn". Pejorative comments tell more about the writer than the receiver, but nevertheless, you make the distinction between acceptance and endorsement.I presume you are accepting of gays, women pastors, fancy hairstyles,equality of men & women, women worshiping without a headcovering, long hair for men, women remarrying following a divorce, to name a few, even though the scriptures condemn all of the above and more. Perhaps you even endorse some of these! The point is we have always come to the scriptures in the context of our own time in history for good or ill. And that is as it should be as indicated in the Lowell quote in my previous comment."Accepting" gays, blacks, women pastors is quite a long way from endorsing/ supporting/ approving/ affirming.I think God is on the side of the latter and I am proud that the ELCA does too.If you must leave, do so, though I believe you retard the Kingdom in doing so.MTNMANhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06125114923637083319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8890421681310175900.post-22013732030555627012010-05-28T05:55:14.300-05:002010-05-28T05:55:14.300-05:00MTNMAN, you're making the shop-worn argument o...MTNMAN, you're making the shop-worn argument of "equivalence" between racism/slavery and gay sexual orientation. As a basis for what you see as discrimination, the two are not equivalent. There is a difference between "acceptance" and "endorsement." The ELCA has moved from acceptance and toleration over into endorsement, and that's the line that some of us won't cross. <br /><br />I belong to a congregation that has left the ELCA, in part over this issue but also for many other reasons. We fully welcome gay people and all people for that matter. But we won't be performing gay marriages.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01943296616404905243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8890421681310175900.post-31803249963741174082010-05-27T15:45:09.823-05:002010-05-27T15:45:09.823-05:00I have been reading lately of the Lutherans who wa...I have been reading lately of the Lutherans who waffled on the matter of slavery in the 1860's. Many Pastors declared that slavery was not a sin beacuse it was not condemned in the Holy Bible.Thankfully, they did not win the day and the church, though disrupted, moved on.My view is that we face something very similar. The day when gays are fully accepted will come , despite the loud shouts of those who would not move forward. Jas. Russell Lowell (1819-1891)had it right when he declared, "New occasions teach new duties, time makes ancient good uncouth."MTNMANhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06125114923637083319noreply@blogger.com